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ORION DWORKIN SI/CEBP's avatar

Fascinating thesis. I'm nowhere near as knowledgeable on the details of the subject but I always found in my research to the subject of master-slave. When and how humans began to tame animals because the theory I concluded is. The masses of older civilization were bred to rule and others to serve as time developed outwards the process was

Then I had an epiphany watching a documentary about the oldest civilization found buried under several feet of rubble & fill and seemed to be intentional. By whom is still the mystery but that was 8 or so years ago and I have not followed up on it, yet.

Incidentally, what was uncovered were strange pillars, left standing like several mini Stonehenge formations with carvings of what looked like regular animals. Not the typical bizarre creatures and morphed humans of the more notable discoveries like the Aztecs and Egyptians. But they were much, much older too apparently.

The carving of their stones were also done mostly by not carving into the stones but out of them. Creating a three-dimensional figure on top of the surface. That which requires massive labor to remove six to eight inches of the entire boulder and pillar surfaces.

The archeologists renditions are fascinating but the meaning of the carvings interpreted by them is more interesting. Which imposed the idea that this particular group or city or civilization had realized their control over the physical word by taming it.

Which brings me to a theory. That quite possibly the people had evolved out of that tribe for which they may have continued on to greener lands and honed their skills to perhaps create the master-slave concept we're on to here.

Seems plausible if not probable to me. Again, I'm nobody important enough to make a blip on this subject but my personal mission to figure it all out to a point where we can get a better grasp on where humans can find our natural purpose in the lifecycle and with where we naturally come from. As to finally end this hellish nightmare the ruling classes dreamed as civilized behavior.

For example:

Why do we work outside of our family's reach when we have children or grandparents that may require our undivided attention for whatever reason at any time? And what's the benefit to our mental and physical health by not doing so.

Explicitly, why would anyone believe a being that's born into a ecosystem, not be able to live in it unless you pay something or work for another to get what naturally occurs.

Seriously, the motivation of this monetary system can be classified as sadistically insane.

We need action immediately to understand what atrocities the simplistic act of denying basic needs from anything we humans contact has on the mental health of animals, Including ourselves.

In conclusion, I strongly believe and in my personal opinions, based on facts. There has to be a restructuring of everything we've socially and economically created. To get real with natural purpose and demand the natural right to healthy body & minds and natural life without exception.

It's degradingly embarrassing to know we are a species that meaningfully oppress and deny life of one another for things graciously provided by nature for our habitation. The complete nonsense that we're led to believe. The world is not big enough for everyone or to feed everyone is manufactured guilt by proxy.

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Robert J. Rei's avatar

"Was the reorganization of human life from its evolutionary social structure of communities to the state of master-slave relationships actually due to an evolutionary advancement in man’s intelligence?"

Yes. Advancements in the development of human intelligence are not necessarily in tandem or coupled with morality, which is a purely human invention, nor is increased, improved, or incidental intelligence development subject to preconditioning whether by socialization, instinct, or genetics.

The thesis as presented suggests that it, the question, is evolutionary in nature, as in following a natural progression towards that which is evidently stronger or superior; to maintain this line of inquiry requires a condition of consistency that implies that the master-slave plateau should be considered as superior or stronger than communities as a natural order of social contexts; whereas in reality intelligence in and of itself at its root is no more than the gathering of data that is then collated into information, which is then elevated as a combined result into that which is known as intelligence, which is then used to create knowledge, which is acted upon in different ways by different individuals, groups of individuals, or some combination of the two to become for some, and for others not, that which may be termed as wisdom.

Nazi Germany is one such model while on the opposite end of the spectrum is American democracy to use one example.

I think the following quote provides one simple line of support to my thoughts on this matter:

“People are not born with political ideas. All states use the education system to politically socialize their citizens in an attempt to reproduce their desired vision of reality.” -Herbert Hirsch, “Nazi Education: A Case of Political Socialization” The Educational Forum, Vol. 53, No. 1, Fall 1988

Ultimately the matter under discussion may be narrowly construed as an epistemological study, as opposed to the matter being one of evolutionary progression which encompasses developmental aspects that can only be understood from an open systems perspective.

To be perfectly clear my expressed thoughts on this matter are just that, and constitute my own singularly arrived at spontaneously generated response to your essay.

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